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I used AI to identify arguments that zionists would use defending Israel and reframing ideas that could work to get zionists and Israel-supporters to rethink their position. I broke it down into Jewish zionists and Christian zionists.

Arguments against Israeli policy

# Arguments in Israel-Palestine Discourse: Multiple Perspectives

## Arguments Commonly Used with American Jewish Communities

### Arguments for Policy Change (Critical of Current Israeli Actions)

1. **Tikkun Olam (Repairing the World)**: Jewish values mandate protecting the vulnerable and pursuing justice, which requires addressing Palestinian civilian suffering.

2. **Pikuach Nefesh (Saving Life)**: The religious imperative to preserve human life applies to all people, not just Jews, making civilian protection paramount.

3. **Historical Memory**: Jews' experience of persecution should foster empathy for other oppressed peoples, not justify oppression.

4. **Prophetic Tradition**: Jewish prophets consistently called for justice over power, challenging leaders who harmed the innocent.

5. **Diaspora Jewish Values**: American Jewish commitment to civil rights and social justice should extend to Palestinians.

6. **Long-term Israeli Security**: Current policies may increase rather than decrease threats to Israeli civilians.

7. **Jewish Pluralism**: Supporting Palestinian rights doesn't negate Jewish rights - both peoples deserve dignity and security.

8. **Ethical Judaism**: Actions should reflect Jewish ethical teachings, not just Jewish tribal loyalty.

9. **Children's Welfare**: Jewish values prioritize protecting children regardless of their ethnicity or nationality.

10. **International Law**: Supporting rule of law serves Jewish interests globally by protecting minority rights.

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I'm not sure why you're focused on arguing with anyone defending Israel. I wonder what an AI bot would come up with if you replaced "Israel" with "Hamas".

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You're over-relying on AI. AI can't measure facts on the ground, proportionality, extremists who don't respect any of the protections rules of war afford to civilians, the particular and peculiar degree of support for Hamas from so-called civilians, even now.

Ask AI whether it is just that Hamas continue its war on Israel no matter what the consequences to Gaza citizens, indeed even exploiting their suffering for propaganda purposes, when they could end the war tomorrow by surrendering and returning the hostages. Also, the assumption that Palestinians - who didn't even exist before Arafat used the term under advice from the Russian KGB in the 1960s - want or deserve a homeland, is a false premise, proven by their repeated rejection of it under multiple offers and administrations. Hamas and predecessor organizations, simply want to eliminate Israel and all Jews; it's in the Hamas charter, their words to their own people and even now to the West, and by their actions for nearly 100 years, even before Israel existed. No AI is going to change that.

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This is so much nonsense that I am appalled even as a Jew. I especially love the reference to KGB, this is nonsense ^64. In all fairness, the statement that " Palestinians did not exist" is as malicious as " Jews did not exist', although that latter was used so many times that now normal Jews rightfully cringe at any ' did not exist' statement. Ignorance is truly a demonic possession. Now, reread Mark Twain, the Innocents Abroad and be done with it. I apologize for being personal, but whoever says that certain people " did not exist" .. deserves what he gets.

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The ancestors of the people calling themselves Palestinians were calling themselves Arabs pre-1960s. Show me one example of Palestinians used in any sense but a regional, not ethnic, sense prior to about 1967. Palestinian identity is a modern invention designed to distinguish between people living in a region called Palestine vs. Arabs, which were in a much larger region including Jordan - which today has more "Palestinians" than any other kind of Arab. Jordan is really much more a candidate for "Palestine" than Israel, including ancient Judea and Samaria. Jews, of course, have resided in the area for 3,000 years and the root of "Judea" are people of Judaic background, i.e. Jews.

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"When shall it be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive...when these things can be said, then may that country boast of its constitution and government."~ Thomas Paine"
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There is no defending Christian or Jewish Zionism, unless you like giving power to 21st Century strict letter of the law Scribes and Pharisees. They don't need to hang hippy kings on a cross, they can Nuke you or kill you with high powered weapons to kill with now. They own the blood stained dollar that the world is enslaved too! You want them in power, move to the north pole.

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We really do not need AI for this.

Nationalists in all forms are first and foremost enemies of their own people. In this case- on both sides. But Israeli nationalists are pushing their ownership of other people's land. Thus , it is all clear.

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Wow There is absolutely no connection between current Jews and those who ' resided' in the Judea at those times unless you follow Bible or other fairy - tales. Palestine as a country and a territory existed much longer than current Israel, there was even Palestinian money. Now, calling themselves per territory is rather common and many nations call themselves that way, Gerogians for example, or Ukrainians. One more: no matter what Simon of David from NY or Moscow have much less rights on those lands that Jussuf or Akbar, who was born there. End of the story.

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False, according to Grok 4.0 (finally, a use for AI here):

Question:

Have Jews lived in the region of Israel for about 3,000 years? Did some of them convert to Islam in recent centuries either voluntarily or through coercion? Has Israel been recognized as a nation-state for about as long as 25% of nation-states currently recognized since Israel's founding in May, 1948?

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Yes, Jews have lived in the region of Israel for about 3,000 years (and in fact longer, with archaeological and historical evidence indicating a continuous presence dating back to at least the 2nd millennium BCE). This spans ancient kingdoms like Israel and Judah around 1000 BCE, through periods of exile, return, and diaspora, with a small but persistent Jewish community remaining even during times of foreign rule.

Yes, some Jews in the broader Middle East, including Palestine, converted to Islam in recent centuries (roughly the last 500 years, encompassing the Ottoman period and later), both voluntarily (e.g., for social, economic, or marital reasons) and through coercion (e.g., under pressure from local authorities or during conflicts). While mass conversions were more common in the early Islamic period (7th-10th centuries), individual and small-group conversions continued under Ottoman rule (1516-1918), often influenced by dhimmi status taxes or societal integration. Genetic studies also support that some Palestinian Muslims have Jewish ancestry, suggesting historical conversions over time.

No, this claim does not hold based on the phrasing and available data. Israel has existed for 77 years (since May 14, 1948), and approximately 63-70% of the 195 currently recognized sovereign states (193 UN members plus 2 observers) were formed after that date, primarily through post-WWII decolonization, the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia in the 1990s, and other events. This means Israel has been recognized longer than roughly 63-70% of current nation-states, not 25%. If the intent was to ask whether at least 25% of current nation-states were founded since 1948, the answer would be yes (far exceeding 25%), but the phrasing "for about as long as 25%" suggests a closer match to 25%, which is not accurate.

I guess I was wrong about the nation states, but not in the direction I thought when imaging all those African ex-colonial nation-states, the breakup of the Soviet Union, and some reforming in Europe after WWII in Europe. There have been many more nation-states - 63%-70% depending on how you count them. Palestine is not recognized as a nation-state by the U.N., which is typically the "official" body to do so. You can blame that on the U.S. if you want, but the fact is Palestinians have rejected statehood repeatedly over a century, both before and after Israel formed/reformed. They've always lost territory after their warsand those of the surrounding Arabs like themto eliminate, not live alongside, Israel. Sound like a losing bet, as it should be. At what point do you believe a state should be regarded as legitimate, and why is it different for Israel than for any other state recognized since then?

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Nazi Germany was recognized as a nation- state and would have stayed that way if they did not go to war. You can put Grok aside.

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"When shall it be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive...when these things can be said, then may that country boast of its constitution and government."~ Thomas Paine"
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I hope Israel does not fulfill its desire to destroy the Dome of the Rock to build their 3rd Temple on top if it. As Christians tell them to go a head with. Israel will be destroyed if they destroy the Dome of the Rock. A kid on the Fitchburg streets here had a great Olive Branch offer, "let them build their Temple next to the Dome of the Rock." They would certainly need to purge "The Holy Land of its Nukes. Remember David was a man of war and was not allowed to build the Temple, his son Solomon did.

Will Israel listen to the Olive Branch shown with their return from where was scattered in Jeremiah 23:5-8 or killhim in Revelation 11? I've read that their way of dealing with Prophets was to kill all sent to correct them. That is not a very good record, to be held up to follow at all costs.

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Israel is in an existential battle for its existence. I doubt they are thinking of building a new temple or even have the resources to do it with their young men & women in fatigue after 2 years of intense fighting (almost).

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Its been the paln from the start. TALK TO ANY RIGHT WING 21st Century Scribes and Pharisees. They brag about destroying the Temple as if it wasn't even there. UK, India and USA will see the light and cut off its World Bank enslaving the world in debt with trash-cash.

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This is plainly not true.

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India is not led by Gurus of a 100 years ago of endless om spiritual wisdom that the Beatles should have ruling in England by now. Watching on LinkedIn over that few years new Nation after Nation are for Gaza,

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Just be aware: it is beyond chutzpah to support the current policies of the Israeli government. That is the key issue.

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From "A Modern Pilgrimage" by E.M. Lawrence Gould (1925): "Old as it is, the distinction between Syria and Palestine is chiefly political. Not only are the two countries a geographical unit, but today as always they are inhabited by peoples of the same racial stock, wearing the same clothes, plying the same occupations, and living in the same kinds of houses....Divided now, as has been said, between France and Great Britain, there are those among them who hope (it may be prematurely) for unified nationality and independence." Continuing: "Palestine in particular is a tiny country, some fifty miles wide by less than a hundred long."

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