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The more I watch Charlie Kirks debates with college students, the more compassion I feel for him. He strikes me as a brilliant but frightened young man haunted, as I once was, by a God of fear and judgment. Like Charlie, I once believed in that God until I reached roughly the same age he was when he died at just thirty-one.

That biblical God, as I was taught, was the almighty creator, lawgiver, judge, and punisher, the terrifying being who condemned sinners to eternal torment for disobedience. Who wouldn't be afraid of such a deity? Certainly not me. Like Charlie, I accepted it all.

My education spanning from kindergarten in 1945 to my doctoral studies in Rome in 1972was entirely within the Catholic Church. Nuns and priests trained me in one of the most traditional, patriarchal institutions in the world. They taught that there was no salvation outside the Church. It was our duty to convert the pagans.

So I spent thirteen years in seminaries preparing to be a missionary in Asia, in China, Korea, Burma, Japan, or the Philippines. Then came five more years of doctoral study in theology. The indoctrination could hardly have been deeper.

Like Charlie Kirks brand of fundamentalism, my Catholic formation fostered a deep suspicion of science and secular knowledge. Pope Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors (1864) had warned against modern thought. From it emerged the apologetic mindset that shaped both of us, a defensive "us versus them" posture toward the modern world. Apologetics gave us tidy answers to every challenge: "If they say this, you say that." Charlie mastered it. So did I. We both found it airtight, logical, and comforting.

Our politics flowed from the same worldview. My Catholic mentors, like Charlie's conservative allies, saw communism as evil incarnate. When Senator Joseph McCarthy died, one of my seminary teachers told me, A great man died today. At twenty-two, I cast my first vote for Barry Goldwater.

And yet, even in that enclosed world, the bad ideas we feared had a way of slipping in. Despite my resistance, studying Latin and Greek classics, French and English literature, and Church history began to unsettle my certainty. Questions emerged about morality, colonialism, the Crusades, and the value of other faiths. I fought those doubts but they persisted.

When the Second Vatican Council (1962-'65) finally opened the Church to modernity, I was among the last to let go of my conservative instincts. I loved the Latin Mass, the vestments, and the comforting clarity of dogma. Like Charlie, I thought the Bible was literally dictated by God through chosen transcribers Moses, David, Solomon, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

But my four years of pre-ordination Scripture study shattered that illusion. Doctoral work confirmed it: The Bible isn't a single book. Its a diverse library written by many flawed human beings over a thousand years. They used different names for God and often disagreed about divine commands.

The Bible contains myth, legend, poetry, law, prophecy, fiction, and coded apocalyptic literature -- resistance writings against empire, not predictions of the end of the world. I still remember my shock learning that Matthew's three wise men story was midrash, not history. To treat all of it as literal fact is to miss its deeper truth.

Even so, like Charlie, I continue to believe the Bible is truenot in every detail, but in its moral and spiritual essence. As one of my friends says, "The Bible is true, and some of it even happened." Its central story is not Adam and Eve's fall, but the Exodus, the liberation of slaves. That story reveals the Bibles real heart: what scholars call God's preferential option for the poor.

The Bible sides with the enslaved, the widow, the orphan, the immigrant, the victims of empire. In fact, it may be the only ancient text written almost entirely by people conquered by Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, and Romans. Its truth is that followers of Jesus are called to stand with the oppressed.

I wish Charlie Kirk had lived long enough to encounter that truth. I believe his integrity might have led him toward it. But he dropped out of college after one semester, calling higher education a scam and a waste of time. He thought it was too expensive and too slow, a mere credentialing machine for good jobs.

To him, studying literature, history, or biblical scholarship in college was pointless. Worse, he saw such studies as dangerous, because they exposed students to the "bad ideas" that challenge inherited faith.

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All the controversy around Charlie Kirk shows how central theology remains in public discourse. Christian faith is not limited to its conservative, reactionary forms.

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"When shall it be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive...when these things can be said, then may that country boast of its constitution and government."~ Thomas Paine"
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Mike, Could you be reference to make sure I do not go to court on dealings here. Good home. Its in way of small 3 Cishion Eurpo 9 Ball styled 3 bal billiards with no pockets. Races to 10 all day. 2 diamond 9 foot with pocket blockers 1 1020 Brunswick 5 by 10 3 cusushion table. Kieth kid in Color be involoved or wait.

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"When shall it be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive...when these things can be said, then may that country boast of its constitution and government."~ Thomas Paine"
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Mike, its interesting that have not had a drink since my Wicked Witch of the West melting away, and could now shake his hand as the 2rd best organizer of the times. Would want to hear how first time out in a month, soon as Southern on Rocks serves, the news comes on the tv. Do you know how hard it is to find an empty afternoon bar to bang pool balls around? My last knight fall on chin is recovered from.

Now listen to this for bit. When we moved in Fitchburg Green 30%. First week in apartment September. Could not fight this feeling trouble is coming. ER quick visit and find out Cops are 100% behind me. 1-6-21. I felt Charlie Kirks prayers crying to me. It came to me over the last few days. We in good shape in Fitchburg. 2020 Sep first week in Green, I felt Charlie Kirk's prayers. Do you understand how,, never mind? 911 can create a tough world veiw on young Americans.

This is hard to explain. But what helped the other day, (Its rough for this family and me to talk right to each other. The 4 year old son of, a 34 year old very good pool player and brave lady, said in elevator, "I want you" with smile and family there. That love finished curing my head ache.Walls have been coming down. The family will be reference in Court if need be, and why not yet. (This is cute. When we moved in on smoke breaks, this kid though was 16 kept laughing and giggling at me on the bench. The brave lady introduced herself as Mia 34 and very good pool player. But I got silly by time,,,Am purged of that silly. They visit her Mom.

DA out for maximum punishment over Barmaid mind games and writing explosion, of yap yap yap. Your honor I blew off steam in the wrings. If that DA wants Maximum punishment, I will stay in jail on this Commonwealth's prisons are empty. That is not going to happen here in Fitchburg Court. But it could have been a major disaster from AIPAC trained Cops of other twin city in woods of north central Mass. Maximum Punishment is common practice and repugnant to the Constitution. Another repugnant to me was in Leo court, my Lawyer told me to wait in lobby, to miss chance of my accuser accuse me. I will take that insult to as high a court as there is! Have sown oath with Clerk in Fitchburg to keep RO and charges dropped. Fitchburg Court next week with jury. And if they insist, Alice's Restaurant 2 is on.

I sent request to Pope Leo 14. MM birth date and Leo the 2rd Twin City."Pope Leo 14, I need funds to make up with the ladies smiles that got this 60s year old body to age 67, best could be. I mean I need to me nicer with them,,, not just over a drink with female next to a man in bar.

Putting this on the map with 15,000 LinkedIn connections adding. "Boston doesn't need DC to tell it what to do." Export Thanksgiving Dinners and Harry Bridges Union run Foreign Policy.

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"When shall it be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive...when these things can be said, then may that country boast of its constitution and government."~ Thomas Paine"
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And my hands were washed of the right wing talking heads over a year and a half ago.Free. Blocked on X for saying, we still got Jim Croce's south side option with one less set of foot steps on the floor in the morning. This live version really hit me hard. tu.be/o3MeDX3WG7w?si=Ar_4ujDtUpP3q753

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I loved it too, Michael. Sounds like you've been busy and (as usual) involved with life's most serious issues, but always with your playful attitude. Love it.Thanks.

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Dank Jewel. We will retore good pool action to the broke cowards on the pool table. Lots of love air around. Dart Knights summer league was like a Tim Galway 1st Guru Gig. It was receptive league of friends.. Me new to this part. Galway is Tom Brady's Guru. I've been reading inner game of Tennis since before Montana couldn't be beat.

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So there is a $ 5grand tool box players are going to find
Will you go to Court with me to say that I stay out of jail. I have home here. Cafe Puff 147 mart trip hill heaven on earth market basket.Kid Kieth Color of money line "Its a knight mare it just keeps on getting worse.Wake up one 2019-20 morning with his game face inside you minds eyes. Did miss an out for 3 months. Eye if the tiger quiet

Told Mayor not running. Register people

Talk to Labor Union in morning around. Thought had closed. Block away. See if fund this 3 table coffee cafe.

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